Old Dog V
Responding (Snakes)
Bob Neumann
Dear Meri and the APList….]
There have been few times where everything in my spiritman groaned and struggled in relation to a post/message/word as it did to this post (Response to Cobra). Please do not take this wrong. The turmoil was not because I disagreed with what was being said. My primary desire to get people to “see” and “know”. What THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT is giving us and the purpose behind it, is what DISCERNMENT is.
As I read the introduction and the anonymous posting, I was praying so hard that people would catch the salient points in their “spirits” and not “file” it in their “minds” as interesting general “trivia”. What follows is a long post responding to what two people shared on the LIST. This is offered as a “life and death” warning.
If anyone “feels” a “rebuke” personally leveled in any of these comments I apologize. When someone yells at as us as we “step into” the street it is not necessarily because that person has a grievance, an agenda, is offended, or does not like us.. It might just be because they see the MACK TRUCK we are about to step in front of, or the open manhole hidden by the darkness and the shadows. Warnings are shouted to one and all because it is the right thing to do.
Concerning…..all entries with the >>>>are quotes from the AP List…
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Rarely do I post things without identifying the person. I am printing this because I felt this message of the anaconda spirit and the cobra spirit are timely and that we need to continue to understand that these things operate in our midst with the writers approval. If it is essential that you contact the writer of this post please contact the moderator.
In my own experiences with the cobra, I am learning that where I am in my spiritual walk, that I don’t want to go about provoking these foul spirits, but can trust they will manifest themselves sooner or later.
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Many people never will “see” the manifestation of any “foul spirit”. There is no need for the enemy to show his hands and plans. We “see” the enemy because THE MOST HOLY wants us to learn….and be functional and “purposeful”. “Snakes” like the secret places. Their “strengths” is in the fact that their prey is unwary and not expecting an attack.. Snakes attack in order to eat/devour whole a prey or in defense of their lives. Snakes are not smart just too dumb to notice. .Most people “get bit” because they wander in “snake” territory and do not take precautions.
To a 10 foot diamond-back rattler, a full grown human is a threat and will “rattle” immediately to warn off a human with brains. Man with stick is more dangerous to a snake than a snake is to a man who has “knowledge/discernment”.
As it is in the natural….so it is in the spirit…. to those who FEAR THE LORD….
One of the things that I am learning is that the prideful nature of the serpent is that it wants attention and when it doesn’t get the attention that it desires, then it will “expose itself” revealing the true nature of the message and the spirit to those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.
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Common serpents/snakes do not want or need “attention”…. because it leads to people coming against them with “SWORDS”….. praying people….people of GOD. This is what I called “targeting” long ago in some posts on intercession and the “field of vision”.
BIG BUBBAS ( as opposed to common serpents) “advertise” and revel in attention. When we get these “images” of the enemy, we might consider whether it is because the demonic desires attention or is it God, the Most Holy Spirit attempting to instruct us and to bring HIS WILL and HIS KINGDOM paramount in how we are moving, acting, thinking.
Selah
The venom out of the cobra’s mouth in the natural is aimed right at your eyes…it stands up on it’s tail and can spit surprisingly far with accuracy. You think you are a safe distance, but you aren’t. Certain species of cobra stand almost as tall as a man and can move around in this “upright” position and spit.
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Years ago I wrote this list and others about KING and SPITING COBRAS.… The main point of those posts was to differentiate between the two types/species of snakes.… constrictors and venomous. KING Cobras are the largest venomous snakes on the planet. Similarly, Pythons and Anacondas vie for the largest constrictors. “PYTHON” is the name of a Greek TITAN/Demigod.
Anyone remember the Superbowl? In India…the cobra is worshiped in their pantheon.
In the spirit, the “blindness” that this venom causes results in a total lack of true discernment. What you have left is a group that discerns only lies, suspicions, and paranoia against “outsiders” and against insiders who don’t completely submit to false spiritual authority.
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The venom of the spitting cobra is a strange thing. It is corrosive, eating away at skin and tissue like an acid. If it hits the eyes it will actually “eat the eyes out of their sockets,” as some herpetologists have described it. The venom scars the face and distorts the features. How many readers have run into people “crippled” and “disfigured” by the enemy?
The SPITTING is a defensive act. against threats, much worse than rattling. In this post we are dealing with the BIGGER SNAKES. To a “Big Snake”, anyone who “hears” GOD is considered a threat and they will be attacked. As in this article…all those left in that church were blinded and scarred.
Not a “happy place”.
It is ugly when this spirit gains free reign through people allowing and cooperating with religious spirits.
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Are we learning that wherever GOD IS NOT that it is not pretty or beautiful….except to the deceived and deluded?
How do religious spirits gain an entrance into a group?…from only personal experience I saw this happen because of compromise, favoritism and false worship—flesh demanding and feasting on performance-based, feeling based worship…this is in no way to deny true wonderful full-hearted, stops-out worship. (Sometimes you find a group so afraid of their own flesh that they never can release to full bodied worship…in other words, you still invite a religious spirit when you refuse full worship.)
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We might consider that most “religious spirits” are human spirits……..tainted seed that has grown in “good soil” their roots bitter and their fruit bad, trees not planted by LIVING WATER. Do we find that it is is so much easier to blame demons, devils, and snakes for the works of double-minded people instead of admitting that these are people who THE WORD in several places calls “false brethern” .
When compromise and jezebel/Ahab have a foothold, you begin to leave your first love, Jesus, and you have left a seething gathering of happy demons that keep inviting more.
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“Happy demons” is a cute image….nice term to roll off the tongue. Triumphant jubilation would also fit when referring to “DEAD SHEEP” from the enemy’s point of view.
Jezey and Ahab were not the problem in Ephesus. They did hate AHAB/THE NICOLAOTINS. These people left their “first love” because they took their “eyes” off HIM….got distracted and into “secondary works”….therefore “a second love”…….. They, like us, are called back to their “first works” which come forth out of our “FIRST LOVE” …..which is another subject in itself, which I won’t go into.
I saw control rise up in a fleshy attempt to stave off the influence of this spirit. When you have a man or group with NO true discernment insisting on authority and control, it is a frightening and very damaging experience.
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We are coming to learn that this is the expected outcome for the enemy…….DIVINING SPIRITS…..NICOLAOTIN OVERLORDS….. THE WHORES OF YOUR BABYLONS….. nothing new under the SON…..just Hebrews 5:12-14 trying to lead us to and through Hebrews 6.
Jezebel/Ahab influence is little league compared to this experience. But Jezebel came first (this is not just a woman’s spirit…PLEASE!) Because jezebel/Ahab spirit hates the discernment of the prophets, the truth isn’t permitted to be spoken and the way is paved for these stronger, more ruthless spirits. The prophets are driven out of that particular local body…and some leave at a full run. Prophets leave, truth leaves, discernment leaves.
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I disagree that Jezebel came first. Jezy and Ahab, as we want to refer to “them”….are “aspects”….”labels” of “IMAGES” that have specific “PATTERNS” and “SEQUENCES OF EVENTS”…. THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT reveals them to us to learn and to grow….to comprehend the enemy’s motives and methods. Sometimes it is hard to see that what we are dealing with is “people”…..humans deceived and deluded….or worse…. submitted and serving the enemy by their free will…. just as we, I hope, have chosen to submit and serve YHVH ADONAI ELOHIM….
In the world of religion and church, there is little TRUTH….lots of religion. Few churches in AMERICA believe in an active HOLY SPIRIT or THE VOICE of GOD…. Few believe in PROPHETS….some churches do….but few…. It is in your average charismatic / Pentecostal / messianic / prophetic / apostolic church that the events the anonymous writer alludes to might happen, where intercessors are dispersed and the “prophets” leave. I always thought PROPHETS were sent? For a purpose? You might ask the question then “Who lives in the PALACE? What kind of WATCHMAN is “driven” out? If THE TRUTH is not spoken is it because THE SERVANTS are muzzled and killed? Soldiers and servants leave when ordered….or fight to the end.
Jesus, picking up your cross daily, and sanity seem left far behind in this situation. But I must say Jesus has not abandoned individuals still in this little group…it is a fight to the death and the ones that “endure” in Him come out stronger for it.
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What does not kill us makes us stronger…and hopefully a little smarter.
JESUS said to all that HE WOULD NEVER LEAVE OR FORSAKE HIS OWN….HE DOES NOT LIE…. DEATH always is the outcome when left “IN THE FIRE”… This is HIS PURPOSE for putting us there to begin with.
I would like to add that an anaconda spirit tried very hard to silence me as I kept speaking the truth from a distance to 2 friends that were still in this fellowship. It was a day long, physical, crushing experience centered in the lower ribs. It was protecting it’s territory, squeezing the life out.
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When we tread in dangerous grasses, the beasties will take notice and act. It is called “self-preservation”. If we are “sent” into the grass by THE KING, we need to be armed and armored and aware at ALL TIMES. Snakes live in the grass…the jungle…the desert…and the sea. It is their “territory”….and we are considered the interlopers /invaders /aggressors.
Remember,…snakes are high protein and taste like chicken….I have many recipes…….
I also first began to learn a little about “leviathan” in my association with this little fellowship. What was posted to the A/P about leviathan was simplistic and naive compared to the fierceness/destructiveness of this dangerous power. But, that’s why a fellowship needs prophetic intercessors and watchmen on the wall…or “seers” as Kathy Walters calls them.
GOD wants obedient servants….the rest follows. In the midst of all that has been written on the “leviathans”….and everything else…. over and over, one thing we keep doing is taking our eyes off THE KING looking at situations.. THE WORD tells us times will be perilous…. evil will wax worse….deception and delusion will abound…..
WE ARE WARNED and TOLD TO BE WARRY and SOBER and VIGILENT for the enemy is prowling “like a”…coming “like a”….
I wonder then why we are we hearing “words” about revivals… signs… visitations… blessings…prosperity when we are called to endure the “battle”?
Not everyone is given the fortitude/maturity to deal with these things, so we rely on those that have it.
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Amen! All those who have a little of each are called to share what they have. Some of us have shared and have invested much time and have received many wounds to share on this forum and others. It seems like we make the same warnings and teach the same lessons over and over…..as if it is a “new” class…. Or are students being held back because they never learned the first time?
(moderator comments: perhaps both is true…many of the AP list were not on this “forum” when many of Bob’s things were first posted. In many ways it is a “different audience. Concerning those who are the same, many have grown up and are able to “hear” things today that they didn’t have ears to hear a year or two ago. Others fall into the category of those Peter spoke to when he said, I don’t tell you these things becuase you are ignorant of them, but because you need to be reminded of them..to hear them over and over. Leaders are called to forebear with the people/children of God, to walk with them as they grow up. I am glad that God doesn’t just tell me once and then never reinforce what He has told me.
We don’t raise our physcial children that way and neither does God. Similarly we don’t expect our children to always jump up and down and say, Thank you mom and dad, when we “introduce” them to a new level of responsibility and understanding. I thank Bob for being available to remind us of things that have been spoken to us in the past and to give us a refresher and update. If you want to know more about what Bob taught on the AP list and elsewhere, feel free to write to him and ask if he will send you copy or direct you to those materials if you can’t find them on the two websites listed below
This information is not for the faint of heart or those on milk. It seems like a dream to me now that it is over. The surprise to me was the authority I gained after the battle. Previous to this I was one to say we already have all authority in Jesus’ name (which we do)…but we don’t know how/when to use it and learn as we walk/mature.
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2-3 years ago I wrote a lot for the APList about discernment….vision….armies of GOD. (http://landru.myhome.net/cmjhburl/Neumann.html#The Armies of God, link doesn’t work anymore, read it here http://www.mikkojokitalo.fi/438109901)
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I shared “visions” and “words” and paid the price for confronting dragons..
Most of these are posted on the Web —
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We are in THE YEAR OF THE DRAGON for 50% of this world…. I have warned whenever told to do so
selah
old dog
IN Response to the David Wilkerson piece: BOB NEUMANN
Today someone sent me a transcript of a message given supposedly by David Wilkerson. It sounded like his usual self. Same scent and flavor. It certainly was timely and purposeful. It was of GOD. In it he quoted Zephiniah 3:18. Zephiniah 3:17 has long been one of my favorite verses once i realized ABBA was serious when HE SAID HE LOVED ME. So the post hit all my buttons.
As usual i “selahed”. I “chewed” and “mumbled” on what i read and decided to “wait” and “listen”. What i heard was…”many voices and many breezes”. Not a big and profound utterance….just a “seed”. A term i myself had used hour earlier. The fact that David used it in his sermon and in the same context i was using it is the “key” and i went looking. What i found was not even close to what i was expecting.
I got “reminded”….hold on to that “word/term” as we go on. I was forced to relive a time and a place where i spoke to a group of “prophetic people” and announced their “being drafted” as “enforcers of THE KING’S PEACE”. Regrettably most who heard it did not even try to catch it. Which is why we are where and how we are. Covering old territory….
Isaiah 61:3 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. (KJV)
We say we want to “praise”…”worship”….”glorify” THE LORD. In reality GOD don’t want words…verbage… HIS WORD says He wants action. “THE PLANTINGS OF THE LORD” is not a loose metaphor or “spiritual sounding” catch phrase. It is the outcome of obedience…
Psalm 1:1-6
1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. (KJV)
Funny how clear it seems from GOD’S POINT OF VIEW…..and the reward of those “appointed”. In Isaiah 61:3 there is one of those reality clunkers we hear all the time….THE SPIRIT OF HEAVINESS. Typically it is preached as a negative thing. A “demonic” spirit like we talk about so often. One of those “many voices and many breezes”. But is it? When i gave that message it was previewed by the recounting of a “vision”. In that “vision” i was “reminded” that THE KING OF KINGS is THE LORD OF THE GENTLE BREEZE….and the “rough and tumble”…..that HE “IS” THE KING OF THE JUNGLE.
“Reminded”….”many voices, many breezes”…..”discernment”…….do we REALLY KNOW HIS VOICE? Or can i say “VOICES”? how about the “VOICES OF GOD”?….when we are used to “VOICE”…..
Ephesians 4:4-7 4 There is
4 one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. (KJV)
Paul says there is ONE SPIRIT….THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT….
Isaiah gives us more…..when speaking of the MESSIAH to be born….Isaiah 11:1-3
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: (KJV)
Here we have a multilayered image of THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT….then we have another WITNESS…
Revelation 4:5 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. (KJV)
So just maybe we can go back to Paul for help….
2 Timothy 1:7 7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. (KJV)
A “sound mind” is an important thing…but it is only part of a whole….Romans 12:1-3
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. (KJV)
Titus 3:5-7
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (KJV)
There is so much distraction and perversion in and of the world around us, are we really listening to GOD? Or have we tuned everything out and running on past memories of HIS VOICE. Even worse, are there people following people who claim to hear HIS VOICE? Is the FAMINE in our Land that bad? It seems to be so. Could it get any worse?
Concider THE WORD OF GOD and ponder…..
Isaiah 19:11-16
11 Surely the princes of Zoan are fools, the counsel of the wise counsellors of Pharaoh is become brutish: how say ye unto Pharaoh, I am the son of the wise, the son of ancient kings?
12 Where are they? where are thy wise men? and let them tell thee now, and let them know what the LORD of hosts hath purposed upon Egypt.
13 The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, even they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.
14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.
15 Neither shall there be any work for Egypt, which the head or tail, branch or rush, may do.
16 In that day shall Egypt be like unto women: and it shall be afraid and fear because of the shaking of the hand of the LORD of hosts, which he shaketh over it.
(KJV)
ISAIAH SAYS…..GOD MINGLED a “perverse spirit” in the midst of those who were “fools”…..who say in their heart there is no GOD….that say GOD cannot or will not when GOD SAYS HE IS/WILL….
Romans 8:14-16
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (KJV)
ABBA is serious….SO is THE LAMB.… “many voices, many breezes”…..what are HOLY….and what are not. How to judge? When weighing people and the things they say….preach….teach….pray….. Galatians 5:18-26
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. (KJV)
This last week has not been “nice” in the so called “prophetic world”. Lots of “other voices” have been talking about many things. Down wind of such has not been pleasant. Paul ends this exhortation with a sobering warning. This happens when we fail to “live” and “walk” in THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT. Below is another point Paul tried to make…..
Ephesians 5…..
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
We “prove” what is acceptable when THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT is manifest in our lives………
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
So don’t play with the enemy…”reprove” them does not mean “dialog”…..but if you are not walking in TRUTH, RIGHTEOUSNESS, and GOODNESS….your “words” have nothing behind them and will be flung right back at you with venom. so KNOW where you stand before HIM….
it would also be nice if HE TELLS you to “reprove” and “correct” and not your own Idea, Quest, or Ministry.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
NO WALK….little room to talk….proves you might have more in common with fools than with HEIRS of the kingdom. So “wise up” is good advice to all.
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
HIS KINGDOM COME, HIS WILL BE DONE…..leaves nothing for us to hang personal opinions or agendas.
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Submitting to strangers on the internet is not an easy thing for anyone. Unless they are dead and have nothing left to lose. So don’t expect electronic christians to be any more “holy” then the people in the building every Sunday. Nor should we expect “internet prophets” to stand down when questioned. Attacks are the norm when you shake their “tree”…..so expect it. And don’t get bent out of shape when long and hard shaking only causes “snakes” to fall off the branches and strike you often and hard. You were playing their game anyway.
We were called to pray….to intercede for the brethren….to “witness” to the world at large….to share the “good news” by our lives as well as our words. TO MOURN IN ZION and BE MARKED because we have chosen to serve a HOLY GOD even while enslaved in EGYPT or bound in BABYLON is the heritage of those who OVERCOME. All who have done so…will do so….have felt the weight of HIS YOKE….felt the “spirit of heaviness” for a season. So what if it is a long season….hard season. TO MOURN IN ZION is not bad when we are ONE with HIM.
selah
old dog